I can only speak for myself , but I have no objection using Minis as long as that is specified up front. I have said for some time perhaps three or four qualifiers played on a Saturday or Sunday at a mixture of courses I.E. Tombigbee II, Veterans, Trace or Trace Gold, even a trip out of town to Booneville or Hamilton or Tishomingo.
Charge a modest fee to be used to offset cost of fielding a team, this would help ensure that only truely interested people will compete. My thoughts is to use a point system to determine the top players in each division and then have a playoff utilizing both on course play and the skills competition. You could then name a representative and alternate in each division.
My only other thoughts on the matter is this, if some one were to come in first in all qualifiers then in my opinion they should be named Tupelo's Rep then and there. Reason being is they would have proven they were the best each time and it would not be fair to have them play a forth or fifth time and have one bad day and lose a spot on the team. I would not feel right if I sneaked in to a playoff with such a player and then had one great day while he struggled and I won. In my heart I would know that the best person to represent Tupelo did not win, only the person who on THAT day won.
Ricky, my thoughts exactly... would not of thrown my roc at the basket on 18 nonchalantly from 10 ft. away with my bag and chair in my hand to take bogey...
Lets set a full schedule at the upcoming meeting.
I'd say Thursday night mini's or upcoming tournaments. Fall classic would be great since it utilizes Tombigbee 2.
Ricco is Richard Flake. I just read my email notifying me of upcoming qualifier, ONE day notice. Does everyone feel this is a fair and just way to handle this. I would of thought with all the talk about last year and not going that we would have put more thought and effort into selecting a team to represent Tupelo.
Was this a last minute effort and/or has the powers that be had any discussion on this. ONE day notice by email when people could be away from thier computer or out of town or have other plans just does not seem to be very fair. I sent the sender of the email my thoughts and are now sharing the same on here. If everyone is fine with this then I for one will not say anymore, but I do want it known how I feel, and I want others to know about this, if like me, you did not get your email.
Ok it appears Kyle Lukens and myself have won the first qualifier.
I think it needs to be known more than 24 hours of an email being sent out that a Sunday mini is going to be used as a qualifier. I didn't see the email until after the mini.
Also, it appears we do not have a master player. I must suggest, Joey Ingle.
Thanks Ricco for your comments. Having the very best team possible is the goal but hardly likely as insuring the "best Player" in each division actually wants to participate and is available to participate may not happen. Hopefully, the best talent in each division has the desire to try out.
I am by far not the most knowledgeable but from what I was told last years championship was "lost" via the skills contest. At our meeting the other night we decided to have try-out competitions the weeks after the Summer Point race and it include a skills competition in a format similar to last years event. Much of these determining minis have not yet been planned yet. We first wanted to seek out serious players for all divisions and see how tangled the player pool's web may before planning the events.
We do need ALL players in each division that would like to compete for a place on the team to advise us.
From what I understand, each team member should also have an alternate player as a back-up. Therefore the planned competitions will assist in determining these positions as well.
This is all new to the TDGA. Like you, I would like to see a "fair and just" team selection process. Suggestions and alternative means in which this may happen are always welcomed. _________________
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The idea of several qualifiers seems to be a good fit, but with questions.
First does the team have to be set in concrete early or can people be interchanged if needed. As far as money support all players taking part in the qualifiers could pay a nomial fee that could go to pay expenditures of the team. I for one, if qualified, am willing to pay my own way. Others may not be willing or with the economy unable able to, so this could help ease the burden.
I for think more weight should be given to qualifiers that are closer to the actual cup, this should reflect who is playing well at that time. Of course this would depend on my first question as to when a team needs to be named. I for one do not know the format, which brings another question, does the skill part mean more to winning the cup or score playing on the course.
I want Tupelo to field a team this year regardless who is on it, I want this team to be chosen in a fair and prudent manner which weighs the structure of this competition so as to field a competitive team. I read a lot of posts last year from numerous members not just from this club but throughout the SNDG that were less than happy with the way teams were chosen and I would not like for that to happen here.
I have more questions than answers, but I submit these in the hopes that opinions may be formed and discussed before time runs short.
Also, if you do not think you will be able to go to jackson and play in the sn cup please don't sign up, it will just cause havoc! And robby harris will be trying out for adv! Ill try to have a sign-up sheet at the mini's for this as well, cory was supposed to put a sign-up sheet on front page but he must be busy. _________________ It doesn't matter where my disc lands as long as I make the putt.
Bump!! Registration has started and the field will be capped! We need to start talk on this subject again, tdga meeting is monday, in all seriousness who is interested? Pass the word! _________________ It doesn't matter where my disc lands as long as I make the putt.
Ricco, Find sponsors for a team tupelo,you'll probably get more talk on the subject, as to the past, TDGA decided it wouldn't sponsor a team. Its pretty expensive. _________________ Michael™
I am just bumping this topic back in the limelight. I have not read or heard any more discussion since this first was brought up. Any more thought on fielding a team for next years competition?
I would think it would be in the lowest one in which you've cashed. If you've not cashed in any, then it's your choice. Just my opinion. _________________
so since I have 2 points in open,pro master,adv,and adv master, I am able to qualify for a spot in one of the 4? or do I have to choose one? _________________ if the basket won't come to me.....I'll go to the basket!!!
I like it.....I say we have 3 qualifier rounds one at vets one at trace and one at bigbee, then after we've done the rounds we can schedule a skills competition, I would say at vets or ballard seeing as these 2 have the most room for a distance competition....ballard's soccer fields or vets #19 idf still there. Yes your correct if you play pro in sndg you cannot try out for adv, also whatever you try out for you have to have 2 points in that division in sndg to qualify. _________________ It doesn't matter where my disc lands as long as I make the putt.
Good posts! I agree that in the current points race series the points accumulated are slanted towards anyone able to consistently attend. Certainly skill has much to do with it but attendance also plays a big factor.
We should have qualifiers so that ANYONE, whether they are TDGA, play minis, don't play minis, whatever ... has a chance to compete for a spot.
Advertised minis where qualifiers play there requested/stated divisions in which they are trying to qualify is probably our best way to determine similar as to how Ricco stated.
I assume if you compete in SNDG tournament in Pro you cannot try out for Advanced, right?
Maybe three qualifying rounds and a skills competition between now and September would be enough for a selection process??? _________________
The idea of using points from mini's has been discussed and here are some rough spots that need to be ironed out. 1. A lot of locals play mini's a class above what they play in a sanctioned tournament, (example) I play pro in the local mini as I play adv in sanctioned tournaments, reason for this is tupelo's adv field isn't as skilled as a sanctioned tournament adv field so I play pro to give innexperienced locals to be competetive, other players do this as well. 2. There is a month off period that no points race is going on so we wouldn't have a record of points for those months the points race goes 2 months on 1 month off etc.... Just a couple of issues that need ironed out but I like the idea, also the skills competition this past year were distance, putting, and accuracy, and was a very big part of the points the teams were given, actually it helped team mobile win so we need to focus on this as well. _________________ It doesn't matter where my disc lands as long as I make the putt.
I would not like to see the bag tag challenge be used for this because not everyone is able to participate every weekend, just because a person is able to make every BT challenge that person would be able to build points that might be inflated. The points series the TDGA runs now is a similar. A series of qualifiers with people who know what they are playing for, and with ample time to make plans for the qualifiers would bring a more dedicated group together to get a fair evaluation of their skill and tournament toughness.
I do not know how the Ryder cup players are selected in Ball golf, but a format such as theirs could be useful. First players would have to commit to play in a division, and be there come next years event. Second, possible qualifiers could be held with more emphasis (more points) on the qualifiers as the tournament nears. Robby's suggestion makes a lot of sense that if the Rez is going to be used and the Trace is similar than qualifying events should be held there.
These events could be advertised with plenty of advance notice so as not to conflict with local/regional events. Players could then be selected with alternates in place in case of conflicts with schedule. It would be important that everybody who competes know what is expected of them if selected. The TD of the SN cup could be useful in gaining knowledge of what skill events where used and it could be determined how much of a factor this should play in selection. Just a few thoughts.
I'd take it to a VOTE.. But BEFORE 530 or 600 P.M. So MOST people wont be off work or around. HA!! NO PUN INTENDED for NON-EMPLOYEED _________________ Michael™
I would like to see the tdga bag tag challenge incooporated into it somehow, also I think having a skills competition like they do in the cup would be good, but I also think we need to have some sort of round at a course similar to the rez in jackson seeing as it will probably be held there again, only courses similar to it around here are lake lowndes and trace. _________________ It doesn't matter where my disc lands as long as I make the putt.
Posted: Thu May 06, 2010 5:24 am Post subject: Team Tupelo 2010-11
Robby brought up the idea for the TDGA to begin discussions on the best way to formulate "Team Tupelo" for next year's event. We got too late a start for this year, but beginning now, we should have plenty of time going forward. Let's get this rolling and get together a competitive teams for the city!
How should we designate/select players? _________________
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