Ok with all the talk about who wants to play and are they good enough to play with some people,I would like to throw my name in the hat.Hey, anyway you want to do it is fine with me, vote or qualify. If I get to go then ok if not then still im ok, either way when I step on the course Im always giving it my best...Remember those who go can have an -off day- when they get down there.. Lets just bang some chains........
I think we all know everyone else's skill in this game. Like Robby suggested, maybe we should set a date in the future and have all members who attend pick their top three selections in each division. However, it then becomes a popularity contest but in this first year this process may be the best option.
It's truly a no win situation for whoever determines the team. This way, it's the members say ... not any one individual or group.
At present, it was decided at this weeks meeting the decision process. If we are to veer from this this process, a good, fair plan must evolve ... and quickly.
In future years I think if we designate in early Spring that the first minis in June, July, & August are qualifying minis, then those people interested in joining the team better insure their attendance at these minis in order to qualify. I am with Ricco that this team should be open game for anyone willing to go through the qualifying process and win a spot.
Our main intention this year is to get a team started. Holding off to see who is going to be on the team isn't quite the team spirit any one of us are seeking. I believe all interested in being on the team should speak up regardless of whether a strong team has appeared yet, or not. It could be those you wait on are actually waiting on you!
For this year I would like to see the interested parties agree mutually to field a team and let's get on to the next step of supporting them. _________________
Clayton I see your point and it is a valid one. I have to agree with Dillon that a tournament played eight to nine months ago is not all together fair either. The players that played that day could have regressed in skill or improved drastically, a player who had a bad day could very well have been playing with an injury that kept them from 100% effort that day. Don't get me wrong I am sure the effort was there that day but who knows what the results would have been if we had known it was more than bagtags.
From the looks of the signup sheet there is not the interest I would have expected. Maybe people are taking a wait and see approach, which will make it almost impossible to field a team in time for deadline. Some of our players need to step up, sign up, and get going on this. The more that try out the better in my opinion, it will fuel the competition.
Speaking only for myself I have not played the Rez, I think perhaps New Albany or Booneville from the pros would play more like the Rez (you can tell if they are close at all). I will compete in the format the Board has chosen, but I am open to other options as well. I just wanna play some golf!!!
The problem with scheduling an event just for try out purposes is you risk certain people not being able to make it. The only way to solve that problem is to then do multiple events, which also poses more problems, such as taking the best X scores out of X rounds, conflicting with other events, etc. and even then, you are not guaranteed to get the best possible player for each division. Plus the Rez is mostly long and fairly open, which is the type course we really do not have in Tupelo.
Using past tournament results is a good one, as you get a good sampling of data for a lot of players, but then you run into the problem for those who did not play in those events. Same goes for minis.
Not everybody can play minis and not everybody can play tournaments and it can be very difficult to get everybody together for a tryout. Basically a line will have to be drawn eventually.
Maybe we can expand on both ideas to use an election type process to kind of nominate the best players in each division and then it would be a little easier for those few remaining players to then have some kind of try out with each other.
However, you should not just throw past results away either. Joe Blow may can beat John Doe on any given round if he gets hot, but if John Doe has consistently played better in a lot more tournaments over a longer period of time, then it is pretty clear who the better player is, without needing anything extra.
Basically, I am just trying to talk through ideas and suggestions at this point, because I do not think a pure tryout is the best way to go about selecting a team.
One final thought on selecting team members. While I will not get into the other divisions selection, I am willing to play against any person or group who has signed up for amateur at any or all courses in the Tupelo area. Low total score with skills competitiion also. I would then bow out gracefully to the better man, and would hope if I won they would do likewise. I cannot think of any thing fairer.
I do not see how it was determined that I am on the team when I did not even participate in the Fling with the King (guess that is the one of three I can drop.) I am just as competitive as Clayton though I lack in his skill and I can see both sides of this issue and have read posts from other clubs about thier selection process. Read SN forum for some major rifts.
I would hope this would be a selection process that any person who participated would feel they were given the opportunity to "win" a spot on the team and not be left out because of favortism or because I won't go if so and so doesnt. If i do not earn a spot on the team it will not be the end of the world to me, so if in the best interest of the club if I need to withdraw then I will.
I for one would like to see Mandy play and I can understand Randy's concerns over who she might play with, but those concerns would be true in the competition you face. You never know what sort of person you will be paired with. You can only hope the TD and the players act like adults. I would like for Clayton to play too as he has been the face of Disc golf in Tupelo. But I would really like to see them both earn a spot in competition specifically scheduled for this event.
If you do not give other people a chance to prove themselves, then how will they ever know what they can do. I believe that anyone willing to put themselves out there with their own time and money, willing to face any competition on the path , and willing to make the best of this team by trying to mesh with other individuals deserve such a chance.
I have to agree clayton, I'm competetive as well and were getting called out for pre-determining a team anyway. Any route we go somebody is gonna be mad so we may as well take the best possible team. I mentioned a team tupelo election before, how about we revisit that idea? _________________ It doesn't matter where my disc lands as long as I make the putt.
I was able to speak with Randy at the SNPC awards. He said he "might" allow Mandy to play, but only if we had a way to hand pick the best possible team. I would love to do so (and would of course consult other players for their opinions).
However, like Grayson said, this is going to open up a can of worms.
I personally, am not crazy about using any kind of "qualifier" event, or any other things such as that. However, at the same time, if myself or anybody else hand picked a team, there would be cries of favoritism and other complains about who was or was not picked. So at the same time, I would not like to make anybody mad.
Either we form a strong team and certain people will complain that they were not picked, etc. or we go the current route with using qualifiers and risk having a less than strong team.
At this point, I am not sure which is best, but I do know that I have little interest in playing if Mandy can not play. No offense to the other Am women, but I am a competitive person, and if I only want to go if we have a chance to win.
Just to give everyone something to play for besides the honor of representing team tupelo in jackson I will be running an event on Oct. 30th at veterans park. This is the saturday before halloween, it will incoorporate a skills competition wich is a team tupelo quakifier during the day and a night round that night, I need a little time to iron out some details but all proceeds from this event will go to team tupelo's entry fee into the sncup. If enough money is made it will also help pay stay and food for the team tupelo members. I travel to many tournaments and know how expensive it can be when paying for all these things on the road. Maybe this will get more people interested in representing tupelo with their disc golf skills, plus a night round on halloween weekend has got to be fun. The skills will be distance, accuracy, and putting, a scoring system will be in affect and combined wiith the night round score to determine the tournament winner. So circle the date and hope to see everyone support team tupelo on oct 30! The night round will not be part of the qualifying for the team it's just some added fun. _________________ It doesn't matter where my disc lands as long as I make the putt.
Dillon, the intentions were to select from events in which most everyone participated. Everyone can drop whatever score they prefer. There are two events still to come.
The burden of selecting a team was given to the association. The association has discussed this event at multiple meetings. Requests for possible means of determining the team were posted on the site. Given the circumstances, the selection process has now been determined by your peers who attended the meeting. If you don't participate, that is your option.
Again, I wish all that try out the best of luck. _________________
Not sure if the intentions are to "fix" the team but it looks like Team Tupelo has already been picked. I will not waste my time trying out. Congruatlations Mr. Flake on winning the AM spot as I will withdraw my name. It seems I have lost without even playing, which I find hilarious.
Now, if anyone wants to play current minis or tournaments and not count 8 month old events in 17 degree weather with snow on the ground let me know. Will be glad to put my name back in the hat.
At last night's TDGA meeting it was advised several players did not "enlist" as they could not make the advertised minis to be determined in selecting the team. Due to this it was decided to extend the period to sign up until September 20th. The team, including alternates, will be determined as follows:
1) Fling with the King 2010 results
2) Bag Tag Challenge 2010 results
3) Fall Points Race results (begins in October)
4) Skills event (date to be determined)
The points allocation on how each participant performed in the tournaments will be advised once registration ends. The main factor is, of course, performance and how each individual placed.
Of these four determining events, the event with the lowest points will be dropped.
The association will proceed with registering a team for the SNDG Cup. The team roster is due later and this gives us time in determining the best team.
At the meeting it was felt P-E-R-F-O-R-M-A-N-C-E was the main criteria in selecting the team. Two events are history. Two events remain. Mark you calendars.
Again, I would like to restate that if you are interested in being a representative of Team Tupelo, make your intentions known via an officer or via this thread. Only those players advising their intentions will be eligible for selection.
Others from the meeting, please elaborate and explain any points I may have missed.
The previous mini will not count (sorry Dillon) towards determining the team. The above is the fairest plan that encompasses all parties involved. Good luck to all participants. _________________
I can only speak for myself , but I have no objection using Minis as long as that is specified up front. I have said for some time perhaps three or four qualifiers played on a Saturday or Sunday at a mixture of courses I.E. Tombigbee II, Veterans, Trace or Trace Gold, even a trip out of town to Booneville or Hamilton or Tishomingo.
Charge a modest fee to be used to offset cost of fielding a team, this would help ensure that only truely interested people will compete. My thoughts is to use a point system to determine the top players in each division and then have a playoff utilizing both on course play and the skills competition. You could then name a representative and alternate in each division.
My only other thoughts on the matter is this, if some one were to come in first in all qualifiers then in my opinion they should be named Tupelo's Rep then and there. Reason being is they would have proven they were the best each time and it would not be fair to have them play a forth or fifth time and have one bad day and lose a spot on the team. I would not feel right if I sneaked in to a playoff with such a player and then had one great day while he struggled and I won. In my heart I would know that the best person to represent Tupelo did not win, only the person who on THAT day won.
Ricky, my thoughts exactly... would not of thrown my roc at the basket on 18 nonchalantly from 10 ft. away with my bag and chair in my hand to take bogey...
Lets set a full schedule at the upcoming meeting.
I'd say Thursday night mini's or upcoming tournaments. Fall classic would be great since it utilizes Tombigbee 2.
Ricco is Richard Flake. I just read my email notifying me of upcoming qualifier, ONE day notice. Does everyone feel this is a fair and just way to handle this. I would of thought with all the talk about last year and not going that we would have put more thought and effort into selecting a team to represent Tupelo.
Was this a last minute effort and/or has the powers that be had any discussion on this. ONE day notice by email when people could be away from thier computer or out of town or have other plans just does not seem to be very fair. I sent the sender of the email my thoughts and are now sharing the same on here. If everyone is fine with this then I for one will not say anymore, but I do want it known how I feel, and I want others to know about this, if like me, you did not get your email.
Ok it appears Kyle Lukens and myself have won the first qualifier.
I think it needs to be known more than 24 hours of an email being sent out that a Sunday mini is going to be used as a qualifier. I didn't see the email until after the mini.
Also, it appears we do not have a master player. I must suggest, Joey Ingle.
Thanks Ricco for your comments. Having the very best team possible is the goal but hardly likely as insuring the "best Player" in each division actually wants to participate and is available to participate may not happen. Hopefully, the best talent in each division has the desire to try out.
I am by far not the most knowledgeable but from what I was told last years championship was "lost" via the skills contest. At our meeting the other night we decided to have try-out competitions the weeks after the Summer Point race and it include a skills competition in a format similar to last years event. Much of these determining minis have not yet been planned yet. We first wanted to seek out serious players for all divisions and see how tangled the player pool's web may before planning the events.
We do need ALL players in each division that would like to compete for a place on the team to advise us.
From what I understand, each team member should also have an alternate player as a back-up. Therefore the planned competitions will assist in determining these positions as well.
This is all new to the TDGA. Like you, I would like to see a "fair and just" team selection process. Suggestions and alternative means in which this may happen are always welcomed. _________________
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The idea of several qualifiers seems to be a good fit, but with questions.
First does the team have to be set in concrete early or can people be interchanged if needed. As far as money support all players taking part in the qualifiers could pay a nomial fee that could go to pay expenditures of the team. I for one, if qualified, am willing to pay my own way. Others may not be willing or with the economy unable able to, so this could help ease the burden.
I for think more weight should be given to qualifiers that are closer to the actual cup, this should reflect who is playing well at that time. Of course this would depend on my first question as to when a team needs to be named. I for one do not know the format, which brings another question, does the skill part mean more to winning the cup or score playing on the course.
I want Tupelo to field a team this year regardless who is on it, I want this team to be chosen in a fair and prudent manner which weighs the structure of this competition so as to field a competitive team. I read a lot of posts last year from numerous members not just from this club but throughout the SNDG that were less than happy with the way teams were chosen and I would not like for that to happen here.
I have more questions than answers, but I submit these in the hopes that opinions may be formed and discussed before time runs short.
Also, if you do not think you will be able to go to jackson and play in the sn cup please don't sign up, it will just cause havoc! And robby harris will be trying out for adv! Ill try to have a sign-up sheet at the mini's for this as well, cory was supposed to put a sign-up sheet on front page but he must be busy. _________________ It doesn't matter where my disc lands as long as I make the putt.
Bump!! Registration has started and the field will be capped! We need to start talk on this subject again, tdga meeting is monday, in all seriousness who is interested? Pass the word! _________________ It doesn't matter where my disc lands as long as I make the putt.
Ricco, Find sponsors for a team tupelo,you'll probably get more talk on the subject, as to the past, TDGA decided it wouldn't sponsor a team. Its pretty expensive. _________________ Michael™
I am just bumping this topic back in the limelight. I have not read or heard any more discussion since this first was brought up. Any more thought on fielding a team for next years competition?
I would think it would be in the lowest one in which you've cashed. If you've not cashed in any, then it's your choice. Just my opinion. _________________
so since I have 2 points in open,pro master,adv,and adv master, I am able to qualify for a spot in one of the 4? or do I have to choose one? _________________ if the basket won't come to me.....I'll go to the basket!!!
I like it.....I say we have 3 qualifier rounds one at vets one at trace and one at bigbee, then after we've done the rounds we can schedule a skills competition, I would say at vets or ballard seeing as these 2 have the most room for a distance competition....ballard's soccer fields or vets #19 idf still there. Yes your correct if you play pro in sndg you cannot try out for adv, also whatever you try out for you have to have 2 points in that division in sndg to qualify. _________________ It doesn't matter where my disc lands as long as I make the putt.
Good posts! I agree that in the current points race series the points accumulated are slanted towards anyone able to consistently attend. Certainly skill has much to do with it but attendance also plays a big factor.
We should have qualifiers so that ANYONE, whether they are TDGA, play minis, don't play minis, whatever ... has a chance to compete for a spot.
Advertised minis where qualifiers play there requested/stated divisions in which they are trying to qualify is probably our best way to determine similar as to how Ricco stated.
I assume if you compete in SNDG tournament in Pro you cannot try out for Advanced, right?
Maybe three qualifying rounds and a skills competition between now and September would be enough for a selection process??? _________________
The idea of using points from mini's has been discussed and here are some rough spots that need to be ironed out. 1. A lot of locals play mini's a class above what they play in a sanctioned tournament, (example) I play pro in the local mini as I play adv in sanctioned tournaments, reason for this is tupelo's adv field isn't as skilled as a sanctioned tournament adv field so I play pro to give innexperienced locals to be competetive, other players do this as well. 2. There is a month off period that no points race is going on so we wouldn't have a record of points for those months the points race goes 2 months on 1 month off etc.... Just a couple of issues that need ironed out but I like the idea, also the skills competition this past year were distance, putting, and accuracy, and was a very big part of the points the teams were given, actually it helped team mobile win so we need to focus on this as well. _________________ It doesn't matter where my disc lands as long as I make the putt.
I would not like to see the bag tag challenge be used for this because not everyone is able to participate every weekend, just because a person is able to make every BT challenge that person would be able to build points that might be inflated. The points series the TDGA runs now is a similar. A series of qualifiers with people who know what they are playing for, and with ample time to make plans for the qualifiers would bring a more dedicated group together to get a fair evaluation of their skill and tournament toughness.
I do not know how the Ryder cup players are selected in Ball golf, but a format such as theirs could be useful. First players would have to commit to play in a division, and be there come next years event. Second, possible qualifiers could be held with more emphasis (more points) on the qualifiers as the tournament nears. Robby's suggestion makes a lot of sense that if the Rez is going to be used and the Trace is similar than qualifying events should be held there.
These events could be advertised with plenty of advance notice so as not to conflict with local/regional events. Players could then be selected with alternates in place in case of conflicts with schedule. It would be important that everybody who competes know what is expected of them if selected. The TD of the SN cup could be useful in gaining knowledge of what skill events where used and it could be determined how much of a factor this should play in selection. Just a few thoughts.
I'd take it to a VOTE.. But BEFORE 530 or 600 P.M. So MOST people wont be off work or around. HA!! NO PUN INTENDED for NON-EMPLOYEED _________________ Michael™
I would like to see the tdga bag tag challenge incooporated into it somehow, also I think having a skills competition like they do in the cup would be good, but I also think we need to have some sort of round at a course similar to the rez in jackson seeing as it will probably be held there again, only courses similar to it around here are lake lowndes and trace. _________________ It doesn't matter where my disc lands as long as I make the putt.
Posted: Thu May 06, 2010 5:24 am Post subject: Team Tupelo 2010-11
Robby brought up the idea for the TDGA to begin discussions on the best way to formulate "Team Tupelo" for next year's event. We got too late a start for this year, but beginning now, we should have plenty of time going forward. Let's get this rolling and get together a competitive teams for the city!
How should we designate/select players? _________________
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